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Inexperienced trader seeking for experienced traders' input: (Thanks in advance for your time)

It was 10/18 - before 1:00am - when I placed an online order to buy ONT with limit $1.20 each. I got it for $1.16 - the highest ONT trading rate for the day - even at 10:30 am east - when I called my broker to ask why I got the shares at the highest rate:

1) Broker said AMEX trading hours for ONT have not really started at 9:30am.
2) The charts on broker site show the AMEX opening hours: 9:30 am/ Opening price for about 4 minutes: $1.07/share and it did not jump right away to $1.16.
3) I did not order to buy the shares before the AMEX opening hours. But my broker said it is how AMEX deals with the orders.
4) Broker also said that if I had placed an order to sell, it would
get processed immediately. Since I placed the order to buy, it didn't get thru so fast.

Is here any trading sense from his say or he forgot to add key words?

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First, if you are a long term investor, you were willing to pay 1.20 according to your limit and you got filled at 1.16 so it's a good fill according to your instructions. Long term, 4 cents isn't going to make much difference.

Second, if you consider yourself a "trader" a lot of weird things happen in the pushing and shoving of the open. The specialists on the floor make a huge amount of money at this time. In this case, it wouldn't surprise me if the specialist/market maker first did a bunch of buying of opening orders (ONT opened at 1.07) and then sold to the opening buy orders at 1.16 (ONT jumped to 1.16 right after the opening) thus making 0.09 per share just for being the specialist/market maker. He has no obligation to match the orders of public buyers with public sellers. It's good to be the market maker. Traders like me always wait to see how the stock opens to get confirmation before placing an order. A lot of things can happen in the news between 1AM and the market open. Traders never put in orders and let them sit that long.

It seems like most of the business news programs focus on indivdual stock investing and day trading. I'm looking for a good show that discusses mutual fund news and long term investing strategies.
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If you check out the following newsletters by Paul Farrell of CBS, you will know everything you will ever need to know about mutual fund investing:
http://www.marketwatch.com/Search/?property=column&value=paul+b%2e+farrell&scid=3&siteid=mktw&dist=mktwmore
I am a novice trader of the futures market. In particular, the e-mini Russell 2000 because of its liquidity, low investment, and high potential gain. I have been trying to achieve a reliable and consistent strategy to pull even just a few points out of the market a week. My results thus far have been weak. I have had some gains, but my losses slowly eat away these gains and then some. Consequently, I see my account slowly decreasing. Does anybody that reads these things trade futures and have any advice or a decent strategy on how to consistently gain a few points a week in the futures market? Thanks in advance.
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Wow, a "novice" daytrading futures, that's like riding a motorcycle 'flat out' on the first try. First, find a trend, and as a beginner, find a big trend (oil or corn perhaps) and go with the flow. (never buck the trend, never)

The traders have all the news well before you do, so if you are trying to nickel and dime your way to riches by picking a little spurt to long here or a little sag to short there, don't–they've already done it and moved on by the time you spot it.

Also, be very, very careful of the proportional share you trade with, compared to the larger account value. I was trading potatoes once, um, a while back, and some rich guys tried to steer away from a long-established trend. I got a margin call during one of their 'force it' moves and the brokerage confiscated my whole account value and sent me a bill for the rest. Instead of paying off my mortgage, I was paying on my debt for two years. Without the extra traffic, the general trend was right and I would have profited nicely–but I didn't have enough reserve for when it suddenly went radically against me. I do have one consolation, though, something like 90 millionaires got caught in a still larger default, and several dozen went to jail.

Feel lucky that your account balance is "slowly decreasing"–things could be much worse. Check the charts for agricultural spreads and straddles, many of the patterns I used to rely on don't work any more, but see if you can find some of your own, then play it safe. If nothing else, go to currencies and short the dollar and go long on almost anything else. Good luck.

Which mutual fund investing in day trading ? - I mean they should not invest in certain fund for long term, they have to buy & sale daily. - is there any fund like that.
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Wat ever or which ever the mutual fund is, they must be in delivery and not in derivatives. Nothing but, they must be in the form of investing.

How ever, even in delivery, you can buy daily and sell daily the stocks that you hold. It depends totally on the fund manager whether to hold the stocks or sell. He does it depending on technical analysis and other news. If such an analysis fluctuate every day, the fund manager may transact the stocks every day. BUT SUCH A POSSIBILITY IS VERY SELDOM.

Such information? I have watched one company buy another and an offer announced on a given day and before the market openned, the price of that stock had already moved to the buy price or the worth of that buy. Somewhere along the lines, some body(s) had to buy shares to raise that price level. I am assuming this happenned in pre market trading although Yahoo charts would show it all happenned at the beginning of regular trading. Scottrade shows it happenned before market trading and I would assume it happenned from the time the news was made aware of on that platform. I would just like to be able to look at a chart and see what time the offer was made to raise the price of that stock and that it corresponded with the "non insider" information made available to the general public.
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You may need Level II access to get that info. If you don't know what that is, then you won't be able to get it.
How does after hour trading stock price or pre-market opening trading stock price affect a trading day stock price from 930am - until 4pm close??
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What affects the stock's price through a trading day is news and how the major player's (mutual funds, hedge funds, etc) interpret various issues

When you can buy/sell millions of shares you affect the market, particularly when the major market herds form into a stampede

There are also times when the value of using charts is questionable. For example, if the underlying drops 20% in a day, say from $25 per share to $20 per share, and there is only one trade for a particular option on the underlying that day, it could make a big difference in the price if the option was trading $25 or $20.
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Market value is market value. The value of the option would change as the underlying stock price has changed. Otherwise the forces of arbitrage would correct the situation quickly.

What you're really trying to surmise is how extreme the price change in the option would be. Typically if there's a big drop in one day of that magnitude the company is either going to have a news release or impending news. I would still expect a good sized change in the option price.

Pls clarify. why is that market doesnt open at the previous days close…who or what factors fixes the opening.
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The quoted price of any stock is the price at which it was sold last time. But there is no reason why people have to buy and sell at the quoted price next time.

People are free to bid as low as they want. And people are free to ask as high as they want. But shares are sold only when the bidding and the asking prices coincide.

When there are some bad economic news. Then both the buyers and the sellers bring down their prices. And sales happen at a lower price.

When the market is closed, traders put in buy limit, sell limit, buy stop, and sell stop orders at various prices. All of these orders become effective when the market opens. But only those buyers and sellers whose orders coincide in price will have their orders executed. And once some shares are sold at a certain price. Then this becomes the new price of the stock. And this price can be quite a bit higher or lower than the previous selling price.

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Intra-day trading is certainly for professionals. It takes a lot of committment but it is very possible for you to earn a great living. But it is just as easy to lose it all.

It requires a lot of time in front of the computer.

Basically if you want ot day trade - in and out of a trade on the same day - well you have to be dependent on technicals as well as any news that the market is awaiting or is absorbing. and for private investors this up to date news is hard to obtain.

Technical charting day charts - make sure you have all the indicators in your system present as well as all the time scales that only cover the day: ticks. 1 minute, 2 minute, 5 minute, 1/2 hour, 1 hour.

Not all indicators work in this short term environment.

Are the London stock exchange markets just as easy to Level 2 Day Trade as the American Markets using News feeds, intra day charts with Brokerages such as Etrade Pro or Ameritrade.

Are the London Markets as fast on Level 2 and are there any extra obstacles such as minimum Day Trading account balances or maximum round trips per day?

I use Yahoo News and charts on the American markets as a secondary back up tool but on the London markets their service is sub standard. I also use Knobias for News feeds.

What tools are needed for Day trading success on the London markets.

Iearned today of a 0.5% Duty on all share purchases In London so that is one reason it is not as good, Any others?

Any info, advice or experiences are much appreciated.

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