Day Trading

You need to get educated about business. Most day-traders lose to the market over time.

While day trading is neither illegal nor is it unethical, it can be highly risky. Most individual investors do not have the wealth, the time, or the temperament to make money and to sustain the devastating losses that day trading can bring.

Here are some of the facts that every investor should know about day trading:

Be prepared to suffer severe financial losses

Day traders typically suffer severe financial losses in their first months of trading, and many never graduate to profit-making status. Given these outcomes, it's clear: day traders should only risk money they can afford to lose. They should never use money they will need for daily living expenses, retirement, take out a second mortgage, or use their student loan money for day trading.

Day traders do not "invest"

Day traders sit in front of computer screens and look for a stock that is either moving up or down in value. They want to ride the momentum of the stock and get out of the stock before it changes course. They do not know for certain how the stock will move, they are hoping that it will move in one direction, either up or down in value. True day traders do not own any stocks overnight because of the extreme risk that prices will change radically from one day to the next, leading to large losses.

Day trading is an extremely stressful and expensive full-time job

Day traders must watch the market continuously during the day at their computer terminals. It's extremely difficult and demands great concentration to watch dozens of ticker quotes and price fluctuations to spot market trends. Day traders also have high expenses, paying their firms large amounts in commissions, for training, and for computers. Any day trader should know up front how much they need to make to cover expenses and break even.

Day traders depend heavily on borrowing money or buying stocks on margin

Borrowing money to trade in stocks is always a risky business. Day trading strategies demand using the leverage of borrowed money to make profits. This is why many day traders lose all their money and may end up in debt as well. Day traders should understand how margin works, how much time they'll have to meet a margin call, and the potential for getting in over their heads.

Don't believe claims of easy profits

Don't believe advertising claims that promise quick and sure profits from day trading. Before you start trading with a firm, make sure you know how many clients have lost money and how many have made profits. If the firm does not know, or will not tell you, think twice about the risks you take in the face of ignorance.

Watch out for "hot tips" and "expert advice" from newsletters and websites catering to day traders

Some websites have sought to profit from day traders by offering them hot tips and stock picks for a fee. Once again, don't believe any claims that trumpet the easy profits of day trading. Check out these sources thoroughly and ask them if they have been paid to make their recommendations.

Remember that "educational" seminars, classes, and books about day trading may not be objective

Find out whether a seminar speaker, an instructor teaching a class, or an author of a publication about day trading stands to profit if you start day trading.

Check out day trading firms with your state securities regulator

Like all broker-dealers, day trading firms must register with the SEC and the states in which they do business. Confirm registration by calling your state securities regulator and at the same time ask if the firm has a record of problems with regulators or their customers. You can find the telephone number for your state securities regulator in the government section of your phone book or by calling the North American Securities Administrators Association at (202) 737-0900. NASAA also provides this information on its website at www.nasaa.org/QuickLinks/ContactYourRegulator.cfm.

Instead, read the Intelligent Investor and follow Warren Buffett. Get a great job and invest the proceeds wisely.

Best Regards,

Docmase

I will give you what info that I can. Although there are many others who are far more expeienced with daytrading than I am. I have tried many different kinds of stock trading, including daytrading. Of them all, daytrading is my least favorite. It may not be the most work (but it ain't easy), but it's definitely the most stressful. In my experience there are far easier ways to make money in the stock market.

By law the minimum amount needed to open a daytrading account is $25,000. This will open a margin account, with which you can daytrade up to four times the amount that you have in your account. So with a minimum account of $25,000 you can daytrade up to $100,000 per day. (There are some restrictions) You must pay interest on any amount that you hold overnight that is in excess of the cash in your account. Daytraders never hold anything overnight.

There are many different styles of daytrading. You can trade gaps up, or gaps down. You can trade technicals or breakouts. You can trade a particular stock or group of stocks. Each style requires a specific set of tools and the skills to use them. At a minimum you will need a good broadband internet connection, streaming level 2 quotes, and a good broker. Quotetracker is a good, free platform that you can download and try, just to get a feel for what is involved. Also I believe that Scottrade will let you download and try their platform for free.

The broker that you choose depends upon your style of trading and the volume that you trade. Flat fee commission brokers like Scottrade are fine if you trade volumes above 1000 shares at a time. On a thirty dollar stock, that's $30,000 per trade. Personally I may buy more than 1000 shares, but I'll often take a position 100 shares at a time. So in my case paying $7 for each of those 100 share trades would kill me on commissions. Instead I use a broker that charges per share, not per trade. If you're not dealing in high volume it's best to pay per share, not per trade. That way you can buy 100 shares and it will only cost you $1 in commission.

The other thing that you should consider, just in case you do make money daytrading, is taxes. Although the advent of online tax services has made keeping track of all those daytrades considerably easier, it can still be a headache. It's much easier just to buy a stock, hold it all year, and then pay the taxes on it. Very simple.

I do not believe that daytrading is the best way to go for a beginner. It would be better to start by just buying and holding, or swingtrading. Personally I now use a service that sends me alerts on what to buy and sell. It actually works much better than I could ever do on my own, and it's a whole lot easier. Still it's quite common for me to lose $1000 or more per day. But on average my up days far outweigh my down days.

Yes, I do this for a living, and it is much easier than having a real job.

5 to 15%, So its a much better deal than working for someone else

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Home prices fell a record 1.7 percent in the first quarter and the number of workers on jobless benefit rolls held at a four-year high, underscoring the economy's woes, data on Thursday showed.

Market is anticipating the feds not raising interest rates in the near term. Lower or no rates increase usually leads to weaker USD.

As a general rule… I'd stay away from CNBC for stock picks.

If you're not using "technical analysis" for day trading, what you're doing is not maximizing your trades. You should be scanning for opportunities based on your technical criteria.
Money Management and position sizing are job #1.

Reading at least one book every six weeks is another must.
Two of my favorites (to start) are;
Trading In The Zone, Mark Douglas
Mastering The Trade, John Carter

The State of Georgia pulled 100% of the brokerage account statements of its citizens to analyze that question. 90% of their daytraders lost 100% of their money, while 1% were profitable on a consistent basis.

The answer is yes you can make a good living doing it, but the average guy cannot do it. They may get lucky from time to time, but the average person is fighting the mathematics of the situation.

Let me describe an example. You decide to trade XYZ stock and it has a bid of 9.95 and an ask of 10.05. You buy at 10.05 giving .10 to the market maker. The next bid is 9.97 and 10.06. You still are not profitable. Then someone sells at 9.97 and the new bid is 9.94 and 10.03. You are now at a loss, and so forth. Overcoming just 10 cents is hard in a short time period. To make day trading profitable, because you are depending on small change, you have to borrow a lot. So instead of having 10.50 at risk you 105.00 at risk of which 10.50 is yours. So, over the next several minutes, the price rises because of a series of buys to 10.06 and 10.11. You try and sell out, but the bid is only for 100 shares. You sell the 100 shares and the price falls to 10.04 and 10.11. You made a 1 cent profit and you are still on the hook for the rest. The market maker, in the mean time, has made 1.05 in spread commissions plus any per unit commisions you may pay to your broker. You have made a penny, you are nearly $100 in debt and someone else got the dollar you were trying to make.

Now, lets imagine you picked well and it turns into a hot stock and six months later it is selling for 19.99 and 20.00. The maker is now only making a penny. Why?

That is the dirty trick. By the time you have made it to 20, you will probably have paid $20 in commisions, had a 10 increase in value and made another dollar or two in bonus money, you are up $12 on a ten dollar gain, if you were careful and did a very good job. The maker is really happy though because they are up $10 on their inventory, you gave them another $20.

However, lets get back to the why question, why is the spread only one cent.

When stocks go hot, they get overvalued and the market maker whose job is to hold inventory knows this and reduces inventory. Traders take up the inventory risk buy you carrying the inventory for the market. The risk is higher, but the market maker is carrying only a fraction of the inventory having sold it to day traders at a profit. So while you have $10 in profits held in an over valued stock, the maker actually is holding a lot of cash. They actually cashed out of the stock, down to a point they can still perform their function. They are basically now a notary, verifying who the buyers and sellers are. They are collecting a notary fee.

Now that the market has lost systematic support by the market maker, it depends upon you actually being online and willing to buy or sell as needed. This means supply will come available of either dollars or shares, only as people provide it. So the stock becomes very volatile. Whereas it may have only moved a penny per trade before, it may move six or seven cents per trade now,..maybe even ten cents. But that is less per dollar exposed than the market maker was pocketing in spreads, and the maker keeps the penny.

So the stock is at 19.99 and 20.00, one minute later it is at 20.06 and 20.07. You are actually exposed at 200.00 and so you pocket .70 on the trade. However, since you plow it back in again, it is sort of invisible.

Now for the nasty part. The stock climbs to 25 over the next few weeks and day traders are selling back and forth, mostly to each other. Someone gets nervous and leaves, taking their money to another stock, then someone else finds they cannot make money today, so they leave. When there was a market maker for the stock, that maker would absorb those sells, but now the maker is gone, unwilling to be anything other than a notary. These sells pressure the stock downward, putting other leveraged traders in a bind and it begins unwinding quickly, all the while the market maker is watching and collecting wider and wider notary spreads, but not stepping in to support the market. The market reaches 23.10 and 23.25. Now day traders have such a large spread to overcome they cannot do it, so they all try and leave. The price begins collapsing and some day traders try to buy into it figuring it will go up and they stabilize the price at $18.10 18.25. The price trades sidways for a few days and the spreads narrow, but the old day traders were burned and the ones who stepped in find themselves in a losing postion. Some exit taking their losses and some try to expand their position to gamble to make the money back. Again, the market maker is not providing much support because the volume has fell with all the day traders gone, so the inventory is about the same, but the maker will step in to stabilize the market at about a 7 cent spread. This is too much for the day traders that are left because the volume is now too low to make money quickly and another sell off occurs to fifteen. Now, the market maker is upping inventory as the stock becomes more valuable (a drop in price is an increase in future return as returns are inversely related to prices) and normalcy is beginning to occur or worse, short sellers are entering the market to force the stock to say, $5, and the maker needs inventory to support their shorting operations. These are hedge funds however, small traders need not apply and supply of shares to short will be unavailable to the little guy.

So, over that time period, an ordinary buy and hold investor is up $5. You, on the other hand, are down 80% because you borrowed money to day trade. Worse, you can only deduct $2000 in investment losses on your taxes, so you may owe taxes on prior period gains, but not be able to fully offset the losses, making you borrow money to pay the IRS, depending upon the tax timing.

I have been a professional investor for years. STAY AWAY!

If you have to ask these questions, you are not prepared to operate in these markets.

I strongly recommend buying "The Intelligent Investor," by Benjamin Graham. Last published in 1972, it is still in publication and will be in publication in2072. Be the guy who made the $5 the easy way, not the guy who fights for each penny.

Philly,
Forex market or Foreign Currency Exchange market is one of the biggest trading market in the world with over USD 1.3 Trillion traded in a day. It is drawing attention ever since it is open to Online trading. Forex trading can be very profitable if you take your time to do a proper research, understanding various options and choose a system that works for you. The most used Forex trading system may not be the most suitable for your needs.

There are many different kinds of Forex Trading Systems and you need to know a few facts as mentioned below, before choosing and funding a system.

1. Testimonials: Is there anyone out there who is trying to sell a system and show you testimonials from the people who actually didn't like the system? Highly unlikely. You should do proper research before indulging into a system that is completely new to you.

2. Profit: Do you want to work with a Forex Trading system that breaks even? Why? If you keep the money in your home, you will still break even, then why take all the hassles of setting up an Forex Trading account and do all the work. Really speaking, you should always do some research on how profitable a particular trading system is?

3. Drawdown: The maximum drawdown of trading system is defined as the greatest peak-to-valley drawdown in a trading system’s equity. Maximum drawdown gives us a measure of the survivability of the trading system.

4. Time to profit: The actual time it takes to achieve the results with a particular trading system. You should plan to have a long and profitable relationship with your trading system.

Try to use a trading system that let you open a Demo account so that you can practice and learn about Forex Trading without risking any money.

I have tried many of these systems in my quest to simplify my trading experience. I personally have found FreedomRocks to be the system that has worked for me. I have found no bad information on this system from anybody that has actually used it. I have found many skeptics and bashers but nothing from those that have actually tried at least the free trial they offer.

Below are a couple of links I have found in my travels around the web:

http://www.yourforexinvestor.com

http://www.babypips.com

Now as far as how much money you would need to gat started I have helped people get started with amounts ranging from $500 up to well over six figures. If you would like I could send you a spreadsheet of how to get started right with just $500 invested on a monthly bugeted basis. The spreadsheet will show you how that investment could easily grow to well over $240,000 within 60 months! Feel free to e-mail me and I will get that right over to you.
bjwells@yourforexinvestor.com

To Your Success,
Brandon Wells
877-773-5345

Being a Financial Planner, it always makes me uneasy when someone says they want to be a day trader. I have a client that caught that bug back in 1998. He had a little early success so he quit his engineering job and traded full time. Two years latter (when I met him) he had lost a boatload of money, to the extent that he had also rung up $30,000 in credit card debt using cash advances to refuel his account.

It is now 2006, he has most of his debt paid, has been back to work for 6 years, and has settled with the IRS. He had a pretty good understanding of the stock markets when he started.

Why do I say this? You had better take the next 3 to 6 months educating yourself before investing a dollar. For every one person making mad money on stocks, there are a hundred making nothing or even losing most of it.

No my friend. A Bear Market is not the best training ground. Most of the Pro's have a tough time. I don't know anything about this ICIC bank, so I am unable to advise on what that is about. Watch and learn. Start really small – this is your gambling money cause that is what trading is when you start out.

–Veteran trader since 1989. (see my bio)

There are clearly no legal issues for you. You can do whatever you'd like with your money. However, there may be some legal issues for him. "He takes a 25% commission" sounds like he takes 25% of the profits. In order for him to take an incentive fee like that, he would probably need to have a hedge fund structure. That is, he would have an investment vehicle that allows him to take your money.

If that's true, he would need to make sure that you are an accredited investor. That is, satisfying the following:

"a natural person who has individual net worth, or joint net worth with the person’s spouse, that exceeds $1 million at the time of the purchase;

a natural person with income exceeding $200,000 in each of the two most recent years or joint income with a spouse exceeding $300,000 for those years and a reasonable expectation of the same income level in the current year; or

a trust with assets in excess of $5 million, not formed to acquire the securities offered, whose purchases a sophisticated person makes."

If you don't satisfy that he would need to jump through some real hoops to be able to collect that incentive fee and not run afoul of the rules. Given these issues, I recommend that you spend some time talking to him as well as talking to an investment pro before you invest.

Good luck.