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Inexperienced trader seeking for experienced traders' input: (Thanks in advance for your time)

It was 10/18 - before 1:00am - when I placed an online order to buy ONT with limit $1.20 each. I got it for $1.16 - the highest ONT trading rate for the day - even at 10:30 am east - when I called my broker to ask why I got the shares at the highest rate:

1) Broker said AMEX trading hours for ONT have not really started at 9:30am.
2) The charts on broker site show the AMEX opening hours: 9:30 am/ Opening price for about 4 minutes: $1.07/share and it did not jump right away to $1.16.
3) I did not order to buy the shares before the AMEX opening hours. But my broker said it is how AMEX deals with the orders.
4) Broker also said that if I had placed an order to sell, it would
get processed immediately. Since I placed the order to buy, it didn't get thru so fast.

Is here any trading sense from his say or he forgot to add key words?

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First, if you are a long term investor, you were willing to pay 1.20 according to your limit and you got filled at 1.16 so it's a good fill according to your instructions. Long term, 4 cents isn't going to make much difference.

Second, if you consider yourself a "trader" a lot of weird things happen in the pushing and shoving of the open. The specialists on the floor make a huge amount of money at this time. In this case, it wouldn't surprise me if the specialist/market maker first did a bunch of buying of opening orders (ONT opened at 1.07) and then sold to the opening buy orders at 1.16 (ONT jumped to 1.16 right after the opening) thus making 0.09 per share just for being the specialist/market maker. He has no obligation to match the orders of public buyers with public sellers. It's good to be the market maker. Traders like me always wait to see how the stock opens to get confirmation before placing an order. A lot of things can happen in the news between 1AM and the market open. Traders never put in orders and let them sit that long.

I have a friend interested in companies that train and hire daytraders to trade company funds. Please coment fom personal experience. She has many years of daytrading experience but is looking for a stable reliable company with a good track record. No churn and burn group.
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I'm confused. She wants a company that trains, yet "she has many years of daytrading experience"? Which is it?

Companies hiring trainees, in my experience, generally want people straight out of school, preferable with athletic credentials. They feel this means that the trainee has physical stamina and is competitive.

Experience means working on the proprietary trading desk of a firm, not sitting at home with a personal account. That's a way to develop bad habits. It's a different word when you're dealing with size.

Besides, if she's making money in her own account, why would she want to work for somebody else? So, I'm assuming she's not making money. So, why would a firm want to hire her.

By the way, "churn and burn" is a term that applies to retail stock sales people, not traders.

From the prospective small investors point of view, which market is the better one to do day trading/ penny stocks .. and why.
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Here's something many traders don't know:
To "day trade" or "scalp": A trader MUST have - AT ALL TIMES - AT LEAST $25,000 U.S. CASH in his/her/their trading account.

This does not include any stocks or trades the trad err might be in. This is cold, hard U.S. CASH.

As soon as the account goes one cent below $25K, a whole different set of rules comes into play.

Check with your broker or any broker to confirm what I write. There MAY BE exceptions.

As far as penny shares:
They are far, far, far too risky and volatile.

Thanks for asking your Q! I enjoyed doing my best to answer it.

VTY,
Ron Berue
Yes, that is my real last name!

And some possible day trades. I need one with trailing stop/loss capabilities. Also, I'm trying to figure out if I need stock trading software? I have the specific parameters (Tech A.) mostly, so what is a good software? does any of the online brokers offer a good "real-time" software as well as low trade commissions? Any advice , especially from active traders , is appreciated. thanks.
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Whatever disocunt brokerage firm you go with absolutely make sure to demand a money market fund for your cash account. ETrade and TD Ameritrade recently changed their policy and now pay less than 1% on cash…the income they earn by paying their customers less than 1% on cash and simply turning around and depositing "your" money into a money market account earns them huge profits (for ETrade it accounted for nearly 1/2 of their net income for the recent quarter)..Great way to treat their customers don't you think….I can't believe so many investors let them get away with this practice…I can't stress enough that all discount brokerage customers need to look into what their firm is paying on cash and either demand a money market fund return (4.5-5%) or take your business to a place like Wells Fargo Investments that offers money market funds for idle cash and up to 100 free trades per account/year if you have over $25k between deposit, loans, and brokerage (including IRAs).
I know it's very risky blah blah blah. I am hoping someone answers my actual question. I appreciate it.
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Try tradestation. They charge $7 a trade…and thats it. Firms charge you for everything from trades to withdrawals of your own money.
I want to invest in some stocks, I am a first timer. I recently was looking through the paper and saw there were a couple of stocks around just a penny, so why not take a chance a get acouple thousand shares at that price, but I don't know how to go about purchasing those stocks, and the fees involved I am not reall worried about that risk, due to the fact I am only going to invest abut $100 can some one please stear me in the right direction.
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Day trading refers to the practice of buying and selling financial instruments within the same trading day such that all positions will usually (not necessarily always) be closed before the market close of the trading day. Traders that participate in day trading are called day traders.

Some of the more commonly day-traded financial instruments are stocks, stock options, currencies, and a host of futures contracts such as equity index futures, interest rate futures, and commodity futures.

Day trading used to be the preserve of financial firms and professional investors and speculators. Many day traders are bank or investment firms employees working as specialists in equity investment and fund management. However, day trading has become increasingly popular among casual traders due to advances in technology, changes in legislation, and the popularity of the Internet.

Trade Frequency

Although collectively called day trading, there are many sub-trading styles within day trading. A day trader is not necessarily very active. Depending on one's trading strategy, the number of trades made in a day may vary from a few to hundreds.

Some day traders focus on very short or short-term trading, in which a trade may last seconds to a few minutes. They buy and sell many times in a day, trading very high volumes daily and therefore receiving big discounts from the brokerage.

Some day traders focus only on momentum or trends. They are more patient and wait for a ride on the strong move which may occur on that day. They make far fewer trades than the aforementioned traders.

Overnight Position

Traditionally it is suggested day traders should always settle their positions before the market close of the trading day to avoid the risk of price gaps (differences between the previous day's close and the next day's open price) at the open. Some day traders consider this to be a golden rule to be obeyed at all times. Some day traders, however, believe they should let the profits run, so it is acceptable to stay with a position after the market closes.

Day traders often borrow money to trade. Since margin interests are typically only charged on overnight balances, the extra costs discourage them from holding positions overnight.

Profit and Risks

Because of the nature of financial leverage and the rapid returns that are possible, day trading can be extremely profitable, and high-risk profile traders can generate huge percentage returns. Some day traders manage to earn millions per year solely by day trading.

Because of the high profits (and losses) that day trading makes possible, these traders are sometimes portrayed as "bandits" or "gamblers" by other investors. Some individuals, however, make a consistent living day trading.

Nevertheless day trading can become very risky, especially if one has poor discipline, risk or money management. The common use of buying on margin (using borrowed funds) amplifies gains and losses, such that substantial losses or gains can occur in a very short period of time. In addition, brokers usually allow bigger margins for daytraders. Where overnight margins required to hold a stock position are normally 50% of the stock's value, many brokers allow pattern day trader accounts to use levels as low as 25% for intraday purchases. This means a day trader with the legal minimum $25,000 in his account can buy $100,000 worth of stock during the day, as long as half of those positions are exited before the market close. Because of the high risk of margin use, and of other day trading practices, a day trader will often have to exit a losing position very quickly, in order to prevent a greater, unacceptable loss, or even a disastrous loss, much larger than his original investment, or even larger than his total assets.

Even when a position has made a profit, the trader has to offset the transaction costs and the interest on the margin. It is commonly stated that 80-90% of day traders lose money. An analysis of the Taiwanese stock market suggests that "less than 20% of day traders earn profits net of transaction costs".

Day trading is considered a risky trading style, and regulations require brokerage firms to ask whether the clients understand the risks of day trading and whether they have prior trading experience before entering the market.

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Assume somebody with an unusually high iq and a substantial understanding of gambling mathematics, finance, and economics.

Assume this individual would be working with total capital of approximately $100k and would work from his home office.

Assume this individual could devote several hours per day if necessary.

Realistically, is there a reasonable way this individual could master getting in and out of investments in a way that leads to a significantly higher return than the general market?

I am pretty well versed in the efficient market hypothesis, and I generally think that short-term trading is little more than flipping coins with transaction costs. But there clearly are entire firms set up that apparently make money trading the market, and there are individuals who do make significant income trading. These successful traders are likely like any business person who found a profitable niche: they do all they can to not publicize how they're making money.

Thanks.

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Contrary to most of the others who have answered before me, I think that you have to be a complete idiot to lose money in the stock market. The only way that I can see, that people lose money, is because they panic, or they do things which are really, really, stupid. You'll never go broke betting on the stupidity of others. I only have a tenth grade education, but I make a good living in the stock market, by simply letting really "intelligent" people, give me money.
I am in search for a good day trading workshop / seminar i can attend, Nothing web based, I would prefer a small class size also. Can anyone make any recommendations?

I know day trading is risky, I am very well capitalized and only plan on putting 10% of my portfolio into play, dont worry its enought.

Thanks!

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I have been to two teaser seminars, one because it was right down the street and the other because I needed to a vacation anyway. It was on O'ahu. *vacation not a big thing I live on the Big Island*

One was going to teach me to day trade with charts and statistics and graphs and Ouija boards and a gypsy with a crystal ball.

The other promoted a software that would pick stocks ready to break out.

The problem with the first is you would spend all your time charting and mapping and whatever. Trading happens second by second. You don't have time to chart anything.

The other might be fine for investing. But a trader doesn't need to know a stock is ready to break out. A trader needs to know the instant it is going to happen and no software will tell you that.

I do trade. Most of my trades are in DOW stocks. On any giving day,most have a nice daily spread of about a buck and a half. Sometimes it will be much more.

In trading the DOW, I have a very good indicator of where to be. Now I will not get rich doing what I do. But by trading blue chips I minimize my potential for loss. I can always move a good stock into my true investing account, knowing it really will come back

The market travels up and down more because of emotion and greed than it does true financial data.

With brokerage fees being so low you can trade on a twenty-five cent rise. 500 share up .25 is $125. You can do it several times a day. I traded the same stock Monday three times, put the money in the bank and was on the beach by 9AM…. market opens early in Hawaii :)
I don't believe anyone can teach you to trade. Your best bet is to try it with play money for a long time before you put up real cash. There are many virtual sites around.

When you do decide to trade, make sure your brokerage firm has level 2 NASDAQ quotes and then learn to use them.

As to forums, I have never had much luck with them. I use Scottrade, with there Total View they have active trader alerts. I had a good look over several days and decided it might be good for them for me to trade their picks but would not do me much good.

Also if you are an active trade you will get marked as a pattern day trade, make sure you keep enough in the account. You also should have another account for investments.

Good Luck and Good Trading

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Yes you can use it for day trading, but do you really have to,

Just remember, if you’re going to day trade, you will have to MAINTAIN equity of $25,000 at all times. This means that the market value of you stocks less your debit must be greater than $25,000

Based on your question, I think it would be in your best interest to do more studying before you use your margin account and even do any day trading.